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  • Building a green talent pipeline: A Q&A with Barbara Dale

Building a green talent pipeline: A Q&A with Barbara Dale

By: Gillian Paxton

Friday, November 10, 2023

Barbara Dale

This Q&A series highlights McKinney Climate Fellows alumni and their professional journeys within Indiana and beyond. The McKinney Climate Fellows program, administered by Indiana University’s Environmental Resilience Institute and Integrated Program in the Environment, connects IU undergraduate and graduate students interested in climate, sustainability, and community resilience with career experiences.

As a McKinney Climate Fellow with the City of South Bend in 2022, Barbara Dale helped the city apply for a grant to increase community engagement around the city’s update to its 2019 climate action plan. The successful grant turned into the Climate Action Ambassadors program, which provides funding for 15 “ambassadors” to gather input from local residents related to the city’s plan.

In 2023, Dale joined South Bend’s Office of Sustainability full time after graduating with a dual master’s degree from the IU O’Neill School of Public and Environmental Affairs. She continues to manage the program her grant funded and works to elevate sustainability and social justice principles in her day-to-day interactions.

The following interview has been lightly edited for length and clarity.

What projects did you work on during your time as a McKinney Climate Fellow?

South Bend was on a three-year update cycle for our climate action plan (CAP), and the first update to our 2019 plan was coming up. But there had been the pandemic and some staff turnover, so we hadn't really gotten a chance to implement much of that 2019 CAP, so we had to apply for an extension.

Then we realized that the most important use of my time was using a lot of my tech communications skills like website programming, graphic design, and storytelling. I was asked to help with communications, letting people know that we have a climate action plan and that the Office of Sustainability exists. That was my focus. I did a lot of website redesign and content development.

Your first job was a nonprofit in Philadelphia focused on housing and social services. Why did you decide to return to your home state of Indiana to work in sustainability?

When I was working my first job in Philadelphia, I really loved working on bringing together sustainability, environmental justice, and housing affordability. These things are often looked at as not really the same. But looking at them on a structural societal level is very interesting and fun for me, so I knew that that kind of work was what I wanted to do.

I also always felt like I parachuted in from the Midwest as this white girl going into low-income neighborhoods I wasn’t from. I think it was good work, but there were already a lot of people there who were more able to speak to their personal experience growing up there. So, I realized I would like to do that same kind of work in Indiana, where I grew up and where I feel like there's a lot of room for connecting the dots between environmental and social justice. I brought that mentality to my graduate program.

How have your responsibilities changed in the transition into your permanent role with the City of South Bend?

Being a McKinney Climate Fellow is a three- to-six-month position. You're on a short time frame, which is a difficult thing when you're working in climate change. It's nice now that I'm working and living here, and I can really get to know the community on a personal level and over a longer time frame.

Right now, we're in an interesting phase because we're doing a lot of different plans at once: the neighborhood plans, the 20-year comprehensive plan update, and our CAP update. One of the programs that I run is the Climate Action Ambassadors program. This was a grant that I applied for as a McKinney Climate Fellow and that was one of the reasons why I got the job.

Since there’s only two people in our Office of Sustainability, we cannot do all the work that needs to be done. Our 15 climate action ambassadors helped us carry out these climate action survey sessions, which were hour-long community meetings led by local leaders we designed to be Socratic in nature. It's teaching as it's asking questions about our climate action plan as it currently stands. We’re really trying to do our due diligence of letting people know what's going on in our community and get input as to how the community wants to shape that plan.

Barbara Dale speaks at a South Bend climate action workshops in June 2023. Dale worked with City of South Bend as a McKinney Climate Fellow before joining the city as a full-time sustainability staff member.
Barbara Dale (fourth from left) poses with some of South Bend's climate action ambassadors. Dale helped the City of South Bend secure funding for the program as a McKinney Climate Fellow and now manages the program as a full-time staff member for the city.

How has it felt then to be there at the beginning of this project and get to see it through?

What's been great is that there has been a positive reception. These local leaders have stepped up to the plate and are ready to do the work. So, it's been really rewarding just to get to help curate that space. The climate action ambassadors can get into spaces and talk to people that they know in a way that I never could as somebody who's not from the community or representative of all aspects of the community. Plus, I’m hearing from the ambassadors that people like to be asked for their input, that they're happy they get to put their word into the survey and learn about what the city is doing.

What's your advice to current McKinney Climate Fellows of how to get the most out of their time as a fellow?

Municipal government is a bureaucratic system. Bureaucratic systems don't like to change. And what we're asking is for rapid, unprecedented systems-level change in a very short timescale. My advice for McKinney Climate Fellows is to believe in your own ability to change the systems that you're working in. It takes a lot of self initiative and looking at things with an understanding of their complexity, but by working through these municipal governments, these fellows can have an outsized impact by pushing from within.

The other sort of tactical advice that I would give to McKinney Climate Fellows is that the Inflation Reduction Act and the Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill are presenting unprecedented amounts of investment in climate action and it’s vital to understand all the impact of that legislation as it continues to come out. Keeping your finger on the pulse is going to be really helpful to the municipal governments that often don’t have capacity right now to figure these bills out. Municipal governments aren't ready. That's really where these climate fellows can add a lot of support.

 

 About the Environmental Resilience Institute

Indiana University’s Environmental Resilience Institute brings together a broad coalition of government, business, nonprofit, and community leaders to help Indiana and the Midwest better prepare for the challenges of environmental change. By integrating research, education, and community, ERI is working to create a more sustainable, equitable, and prosperous future. Learn more at eri.iu.edu.

About the Integrated Program in the Environment

Bringing together faculty, students and staff across 10 Indiana University schools, the Integrated Program in the Environment is a hub for academics, research, and activities focused on the environment. Administered by the O’Neill School of Public and Environmental Affairs, the School of Public Health, and College of Arts and Sciences, IPE is preparing the next generation of environmental and sustainability leaders. Learn more at environment.indiana.edu.

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